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Two Sides of Gun Control

Two Sides of Gun Control

This is not meant to be a commentary for or against gun owners or the Second Amendment. But one week after the Sandy Hook tragedy, on a day when the nation stopped to mourn the victims and three more people were gunned down in Pennsylvania by a rampaging shooter, one of them in a church, the National Rifle Association finally went public.

Wayne LaPierre, the organization’s executive vice president and public presence, opined that the only way to deal with our epidemic of mass violence is through more guns. “The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun,” LaPierre commented. He may actually be right in certain circumstances, but in a way that the Cold War arms race was “right”: the concept of disincentive through mutually assured destruction.

Still, I wonder if even that would work. They must have had plenty of armed, trained shooters at Fort Hood in 2009 when U. S. Army Major Nidal Hassan went on an anti-American rampage that killed thirteen decent, valuable people and left another twenty-nine wounded. In Columbine High School in 1999, there was one armed guard on premises and another close by. And yet Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold managed to kill fifteen and wound twenty-three.

But that’s not the main point, I don’t think. What has occurred to me in the last week as I listened to all of the vehement arguments on both sides is that the unbending gun advocates – and by this I mean people like Mr. LaPierre and the National Rifle Association who refuse to give an inch on the totally unrestricted right to own and bear any firearm they wish – are ducking the issue.

Mr. LaPierre lashed out at violent video games, saying, “And here’s another dirty little truth that the media try their best to conceal. There exists in this country, sadly, a callous, corrupt and corrupting shadow industry that sells and stows violence against its own people. Through vicious, violent video games with names like ‘Bullet Storm,’ ‘Grand Theft Auto,’ ‘Mortal Combat,’ and ‘Splatterhouse.’” He went on to decry violence in music and other forms of media.

Former presidential candidate Mike Huckabee stated that the violence stems from a lack of religious education.

Others say we don’t do enough with mental health screening. And you know what? I think they’re probably all correct.

But have you noticed, the one factor these people all seem to leave out in discussions of gun violence is: guns. Everything else is to blame except guns.

I am sick and tired of the bromide, “Guns don’t kill people; people kill people.” Of course people kill people. And they do it with guns, knives, baseball bats, ropes, chains, hammers, and even their own hands. But make no mistake: every object we own changes us, alters us, transforms us. Guns don’t make non-killers into killers. They just make those who want to kill into bolder, more empowered, more efficient killers.

So in the discussion of America’s unique problem with repeated mass gun murders, let’s think about all the things we can do to cut down on further tragedies. But as we do so, let’s not leave guns themselves out of the equation.

That’s the weasel’s way out.

POSTSCRIPT: One of our correspondents called our attention to the following comment from President Dwight Eisenhower.

“It’ll be a sad say for this country if children can safely attend their classes only under the protection of armed guards.”

President Eisenhower, who certainly knew his way around firearms, was referring to his order for the integration of Central High School in Little Rock, Arkansas, in 1957, when African-American students had to be protected from a hateful mob. But like much of what Eisenhower said, these words are becoming sadly and eerily predictive.

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14 Responses to The Problem or the Solution?

  1. JClark says:

    Wondering what Mark and John think of this: A Marine stations himself in front of a school, guarding it from bad guys. The principal states that it made her and her staff feel safer.

    How did she know he was a Marine? Did she call his CO, or the police, to check him out? Apparently not. He turns out to be a private, not a Sgt. He was in the Marines for only 8 months with no overseas deployment. He lied, and was being hailed a hero.

    Maybe I’m cynical but to me he was a stranger on a campus and, because he was wearing a uniform, he was welcomed. He wasn’t supposed to be wearing a uniform–he was out in 2008!

    What if he’d shown back up the next day armed? Ooops. What if he used the uniform to gain trust? Anyone can walk into a surplus, thrift, or Army Navy store and look the part in short order. CriminALS now have the idea of how to gain trust.

    http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/12/21/craig-pusley-former-marine-lied-about-service-history/

  2. ceci says:

    I read a comment that the rifle was still in the trunk of the car, and Adam Lanza carried 2 9mm pistols in with him. Is this true?

  3. Cereal Criminal says:

    For the most part, I believe these shooters choose their locations and/or victims based on some sort of perceived wrong which has occurred in their lives. Not always, but often this is the case. I think it is coincidence that some of the locations have also been gun-free areas. In fact, had someone been carrying a gun, it could be there would have been less victims. The criminals will always be able to obtain guns — it is the law-abiding citizen who is permitted to carry a gun who is in a position to minimize the impact a spree-shooter might have had.

  4. I_The_Stranger says:

    Let me just ask an honest question.

    A mass killer will choose a place where there are many people (otherwise it is difficult for him to be a mass killer). These places are likely to be shopping malls, theaters, restaurants, universities, etc.

    At the same time, these places are also likely to be logically the places where legislators have felt least at ease allowing people to carry guns.

    So what you are seeing is that mass killers have killed in places where gun carrying was not allowed, and you may deduce that they killed there just thinking “I’ll kill there because guns are not allowed”. My question is, they may as well have just thought “I’ll kill there because there are many people” and not considered gun laws at all in their choice.

    If you want to know if it is gun laws that made these people shoot there, rather than the presence of many people, you may want, either to ask them (for those who have survived the spree….), or otherwise to see if there are places where there are many people but no gun prohibition to see if spree killers seem to have avoided these places more than places where a spree killing, gun law excepted, would have been as easy.

    This is just a question, not an answer.

    • DoUKnowTheLord says:

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      This is good watch me try my best. 1.) John said some others got away, I agree.
      2.) Carol Anne Christenson, remember a bag over her head, bottle of wine, two trout and a sausage stacked in her lap. So

      what you get is the killers!
      1. The meat factory worker
      2. The fishermen
      3. Ted Bundy always had wine with him he said so he must have known you found her in low decomposition.!!!!!!!
      He played us and meanwhile I run circles around his life! It gets better I hope you wonder where he started and realize it is my next post for you to ignore, lol. This going to be good for the BAU one day.

      • DoUKnowTheLord says:

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        a ring anyone 317-479-6989
        Dennis,
        Ed, Charlie you had a cell last parole 2012 call me I need to discuss with minds of which I hunt! Israel he looses more to me everyday but the man helped me see.
        Why?
        Ignore me this bad though.

  5. Connor Walsh says:

    Military installations are another of the “gun free” zones. Despite the thousands of trained individuals on the base, only the MPs can carry firearms. That’s what allowed Hasan to do what he did.

    “Gun free” zones create killing fields and present the “wolves” of the world if you will, with an area of individuals guaranteed to unprotected. These include military installations, school campuses, malls, theaters, restaurants, etc.

    I’d be interested to hear the statistics on how many mass murders occur in these “gun free” zones. I prefer to call them “free fire” zones, because that’s exactly what it is to the people who would do harm. I’m willing to bet the high majority of them occur in an area which has been designated as “gun free”.

  6. ceci says:

    But why was Lanza a mass murderer. Did he want LE to kill him? His mother was fixing to hospitalize him. And for what: Asperger’s? It’s tough to have a child with Asperger’s. I’ve spent a day with a child and it’s no picnic. They are demanding and eventually either lead a lonely life or are hospitalized. He ended up killing himself.

    But I read the other day in the mall in Oregon, that the man in there, jammed his gun, and a guy with a CWP gun got up to him, and he shot himself. These people are weak people. They don’t have — well, they have one side to them and that is all. They don’t understand the concept of deep thought. They either go off the deep end, or with Asperger’s, they have one side and they don’t “get the punch line.” The psychologists and doctors of Psychiatry need to be doing better jobs and stop giving them so much medicine and observe them, and get a better handle on them. Because their parents are not trained.

  7. Connor Walsh says:

    I fail to see what a religious education would do, considering the bible reads like ancient horror story, with an all powerful deity spending entire books of it wiping out people. But I digress.

    As has been stated, there is no one single answer to the issue at hand. It isn’t the lack of religious education, nor the availability of violent video games, nor the availability of firearms, nor the lax mental health system. It’s entirely possible that it is a combination of all of these things, among others.

    I grew up Catholic in a private Catholic school and was given the “best” religious education possible. I’m now an agnostic humanist. I’ve played “violent” video games my entire life and I’ve owned and operated firearms since I was a teenager. My lack of a religious foundation and my playing violent video games and my owning firearms for years has no bearing on me desiring to go in to a public place and commit a mass murder.

    To blame one or two, or even three or four single things will just not do. We need to remember that, as humans, there have been and always will be those people who are just evil. It is a combination of nature and nurture, genetics and environment. One of these is potentially within the realm of outside control. But how much can we really control. The Constitution governs freedom of religion (which also covers freedom FROM religion), freedom of expression, and the right to keep and bare arms. The right to liberty also extends to those individuals with severe mental disorders, even those individuals with disorders prone to violent outbursts.

    It’s a genuine cluster%^&* and there is no single act which can solve the issues.

  8. John will resume posting soon, and thanks for asking.

    While Lanza was essentially a mass murderer, which we define as someone who kills four or more victims at one time, in one place, he also committed a single murder first: that of his mother in home they shared. This spree element technically classifies him, according to the CRIME CLASSIFICATION MANUAL that John co-authored, as a spree mass murderer, though we usually think of this as involving multiple crime scenes. We have seen other cases like this, such as Charles Whitman, who killed using a high-powered rifle from the tower of the University of Texas at Austin in 1966, after first killing his mother and wife in separate locations. From the perspective of understanding someone like Lanza, though, we would look mainly to the characteristics of a mass murderer.

  9. JClark says:

    Does John Douglas post anymore? I was curious what his take would be. And how would Lanza be classified–a spree or mass shooter? Thanks.

  10. sherry says:

    If they banned guns the only people who would not have them are law abiding citizen’s. Criminals would find a way to obtain them. Just like drugs are illegal, but plenty of people use them. And weapons are banned in prison, but many a person has been murdered in prison from make shift weapons. Guns are banned in Chicago but it has one of the highest murder rates in the country.

  11. sherry says:

    One of the things I have heard more in the past several years are comments about how people are really no different than animals except that they can talk. When young people are taught this from an early age, Why would anyone expect that they would act like a human being?

    There is also more people who do not believe in God and a fear amongst some of these being the last days, which I believe every generation has known to some degree, and I believe that plays a part in why there is more of these type of murder’s.

    Of course I don’t think this excuses anyone from bad choices because people have the ability to know right from wrong. Whether they choose to exercise that ability is where the problem lies.

    I do not support gun control.

    While it may prevent some mass murder’s I believe the number of defensless individuals killed would increase. Especially those who are in abusive situations are those who are victims of stalking.

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